US Patriot Act Creeps Over Border, Canadians now being watched online

oldraven, and then we give blanket immunity to companies that break the law at the administrations beckon.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNew...162638420080311
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/d...ushing-spy.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7050302323.html
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/o...sp-of-sena.html

All found on Google!!! Check me out, Patriots!!!!!!

oldraven;
To stay off subject for just a moment longer:

1; Look in the Cdn Oxford Dictionary or the Cdn Intermediate Dictionary and you will find it spelt with a ZED rather than a S.

2; The Oath of Cdn Citizenship is as follows;

I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful
and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty
Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada,
Her heirs and Successors, and that I will faithfully
observe the laws of Canada
and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.

I know this as I have taken the oath twice.

Camac.

UlsterScotNutt

I am not to familiar with the American Constitution but if memory serves me right it is Congress who shall declare war issue letters of marque etc. If this be the case them congress has been remiss in its duties since the 1950s' ie. Korea, Viet Nam, Gulf War and now both Iraq, and Afghanistan. The Patriot Act sounds an awfully lot like our Emergency War Measures Act. Last invoked in the 70s' over the FLQ crisis in Quebec.

Camac.

Camac, you are correct. We forget very easily and fall for lies from the administration. We have a tendency to believe our President. The sad part is in Vietnam it wasn't clear we were lied to about the Tonkin Bay incident until years later but we were aware we had been lied to pretty shortly thereafter invading Iraq. Yet, Congress continued to kowtow to the executive branch. I don't know if you noticed I used the word "pasted" and not 'Passed" for what Congress did with the Patriot Act, because all they did was "cut and paste" what the adminstration wanted them too.

Korea was before me and I have not delved deep enough into it to render my opinion and hang my ignorance out for view. Vietnam is alittle closer to home. I had to register for the draft but it ended like 2 weeks later. I was put into 1H, for 1 Holding. So I never had to experience the draft expectency.

I recently learned my mother was so opposed to the Vietnam war she was all set to send me to Canada to live.

UlsterScotNutt
Good for your Mother. I must confess though that I was one of roughly 40,000 Canadians who volunteered and fought in Viet Nam. I personally was against the sending of draftees to the war, it ruined to many young lives and I think there were enough people like me who were willing at the time to fight in it. I spent two years there but I pushed my luck and came out on a stretcher. I spent 6 1/2 years in the U.S. Army but I admit I was glad to get out and return to Canada.

Camac.

Wow. I can't believe how incredibly wrong I was on that one. The Oath, that is. (I fell victim to media brain there for a minute and had the Pledge in my head. I just forgot to think of the second half of that first sentence. It's going to take a while to bounce back from this one, I'm afraid. Adam just forgot which Country he lived in in the politics forum. Ouch.)

Canadian English. Almost as absurd as American English. I like my English with an English flavour. But you're right, again.

I'm going to go have a Smithwicks.

Oldraven
Enjoy theSmithwicks. Wish I could join you. I used to rather like it along with Newcastle Brown.

Camac

Funny you say that. I had just finished a 'Newkie' before reading my blunder. I think by the amount I buy, Newcastle Brown has replaced Kilkenny as my favourite ale.

Poor spelling may diminish the message, (some what), but most of us still get it.
Just my two pence, since it’s worth more the two cents.

J.C.

Your tuppence is always welcomed.

Camac.

Camac, I didn't realize that so many Canadians served in Vietnam. How did that work? Canadians in the US Army?
Irag now another example of a military solution to a misinformed politcal issue.

Camac, I didn't realize that so many Canadians served in Vietnam. How did that work? Canadians in the US Army?
Irag now another example of a military solution to a misinformed politcal issue.

Two cousins of mine from Nova Scotia served in "Nam". One in the Army and the other in the Navy. I have a Cousin, Kempton Adkins, who was a senator in ontario who served in Korea in the US Army. When I was in the Navy, we had quite a few Canadians who inlisted in the US forces. They couldn't become officers or have a top secret security clearance but they could serve pretty easily provided they passed the back ground check.

UlsterScotNutt
I believed you asked how it worked for Cdns to join the US forces. Actually its was quite easy. In my case I drove over to Buffalo found an Army recuiting station (in the post office ) told the sergeant why I was there, specified duty in Nam, signed the papers. After that I was sent home to await my reporting orders and my visa. That took about a month and off I went to Fort Dix NJ for basic. I joined in May 67 and Nov. 67 landed in Nam.

Camac.

Pardon me for asking, and I do so with all respect. I know the reasons are likely to be complex . . . lately I've been immersed (to put it lightly) in history and literature of the Spanish Civil War, which as you know attracted fighting men and women from all over the world to help the Republican cause. (Probably the only war in history where the ones who lost were the heroes and are still remembered with ferocious love and pride, at least by their descendants.) So I know there can be strong ideological reasons for supporting someone else's war effort.

What made you Canadians enlist to fight in the Vietnam conflict?

stoirmeil;

I can only answer for my self but I suspect many Cdns did so for the same reason, Adventure. Part of it was also curiosity and perhaps carrying on a tradition. I don't know. For as far back as my families can be traced there has always been soldiers.

Camac.