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John Clements 
Posted: 10-Oct-2007, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE (haynes9 @ 10-Oct-2007, 08:51 AM)
Couldn't agree more, Scotsman. Some of us who have voted Republican for a long time are being "bullied" by the powers that be with the old line "You may not like our guy, but you HAVE to vote for him/her! If you don't, the bad guys will get in office!" Hang that! I'm going to vote for the person/persons with which I philosophically and politically agree. I don't waste my vote when I vote my conscience and keep my core beliefs. If the "powers that be" want my vote, start giving me some credible candidates and quit telling me who YOU think is credible. I will decide that for myself, thank you very much! I still think Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul are the ones I like the best since they have a history of upholding that little document that everyone talks about but no one reads . . what is it? . . Oh, yeah, the Constitution!

OK, I'm done with my rant . . . for now. Think I'll go listen to some preaching. Hey John, want to join me wink.gif !

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Hi haynes9, I thought I just read the preaching, you mean I have to hear it too?

Anyway, I certainly agree with your post, and if Ron Paul changed some of his views, like “the right to choose” for example. I could find him appealing. But alas, I don’t think he will. So I’m still leaning towards Dennis Kucinich, because he’s more in favor of fundamental change. (Besides, have you seen Kucinich’s wife?) You know I heard someone say the other day: I don’t care if Dennis Kucinich gets in or not, as long as his wife becomes…”the first lady“.

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Posted: 15-Oct-2007, 12:59 PM
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Choosing a president is a process of elimination, don’t you think?
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Posted: 16-Oct-2007, 03:17 AM
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It looks more and more like Hillary will be moving back into her house after the next presidential election. With the Republicants self destructing on a variety of fronts, we will get to see what the Democrats can accomplish with a veto proof majority and Madam President working together. thumbs_up.gif


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Posted: 16-Oct-2007, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE (maisky @ 16-Oct-2007, 04:17 AM)
It looks more and more like Hillary will be moving back into her house after the next presidential election.  With the Republicants self destructing on a variety of fronts, we will get to see what the Democrats can accomplish with a veto proof majority and Madam President working together. thumbs_up.gif

I agree with you about seeing what will happen, if Hillary gets in with a veto proof majority, but I don’t think that things will change much at all, until we can change the way campaigns are financed. Which I don’t believe will happen, because they, (that is the democrats and the republicans) like it the way it is.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. What I believe is going on here is…a “good cop bad cop scenario”. The good cops are the democrats, and the bad cops are the republicans, both, marching in lock step to squeeze out the middle class in this country. Why else do you suppose our education system stinks, and nothing is being done to stop illegal cheep labor from entering the country. To me, it’s that simple.
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Posted: 16-Oct-2007, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (maisky @ 16-Oct-2007, 05:17 AM)
It looks more and more like Hillary will be moving back into her house after the next presidential election.  With the Republicants self destructing on a variety of fronts, we will get to see what the Democrats can accomplish with a veto proof majority and Madam President working together. thumbs_up.gif

Hillary just moved farther DOWN my list. Did you see her comment the other day saying torture was OK in some cases? (I don't think we should countenance torture under any circumstances, unless of course we are using the play book from the SS.) I thought that to be one of the MOST egregious acts by Bush & CO. He has been eroding our rights for a few years now and it looks as if Clinton is ready to follow along.


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Posted: 17-Oct-2007, 02:53 AM
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I would personally prefer Obama but believe Hilary will be unbeatable. Obama's very lack of experience in the political machine is one of his major assets. As far as Hilary's statement about torture CS, I agree with you that torture is totally unacceptable. Im not at all sure this reflects what her actions will be once she is president. Time will tell.
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Posted: 17-Oct-2007, 07:25 PM
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I see nothing that Hillary has to offer except more taxes. What is she thinking when she says she would give every baby born in the US a $5000 bond for college or buying a house? Or her plan to expand family leave time. Is she going to dip into her pockets and shell out the money, has she sat down and figured out how much this is going to cost us? She is preaching entitlement. All she is encouraging is a society that will be taken care of from the womb to the tomb. Is that what we want?
Personally I want less government in my life.
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QUOTE (gwenlee @ 17-Oct-2007, 07:25 PM)

Personally I want less government in my life.

Like what GW and his Republicant cohorts provided? Unsupervised wiretaps and the rest of the constitutional violations?
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Posted: 18-Oct-2007, 07:58 AM
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What we need is an independent government…to govern the government.
An independent government, that answers to us, and not their corporate masters.
In other words…an "honest" government! Kucinich…all the way.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2007, 07:06 PM
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I see nothing that Hillary has to offer except more taxes. What is she thinking when she says she would give every baby born in the US a $5000 bond for college or buying a house? Or her plan to expand family leave time. Is she going to dip into her pockets and shell out the money, has she sat down and figured out how much this is going to cost us? She is preaching entitlement. All she is encouraging is a society that will be taken care of from the womb to the tomb. Is that what we want?
Personally I want less government in my life.


If the Bitch gets elected, I belive I'll move to Canada!


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QUOTE (gwenlee @ 17-Oct-2007, 08:25 PM)
Is she going to dip into her pockets and shell out the money, has she sat down and figured out how much this is going to cost us?

Probably she has given it more thought than the incumbent yahoo did about how much this war is costing, and is going to keep costing down into the next two generations. I'm not a raving fan of Hilary, but when it comes to spending without adequate planning, there's just no comparison, either for wrongheadedness or the staggering amount of money blown. As for less government -- those days are gone. You will either get more government with some degree of transparency, or more government masquerading as less, with a greater degree of covert, illicit and invasive control. Take your pick.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2007, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 18-Oct-2007, 08:43 PM)
Probably she has given it more thought than the incumbent yahoo did about how much this war is costing, and is going to keep costing down into the next two generations. I'm not a raving fan of Hilary, but when it comes to spending without adequate planning, there's just no comparison, either for wrongheadedness or the staggering amount of money blown. As for less government -- those days are gone. You will either get more government with some degree of transparency, or more government masquerading as less, with a greater degree of covert, illicit and invasive control. Take your pick.

Well said.
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Posted: 19-Oct-2007, 07:00 AM
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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 18-Oct-2007, 07:06 PM)
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I see nothing that Hillary has to offer except more taxes. What is she thinking when she says she would give every baby born in the US a $5000 bond for college or buying a house? Or her plan to expand family leave time. Is she going to dip into her pockets and shell out the money, has she sat down and figured out how much this is going to cost us? She is preaching entitlement. All she is encouraging is a society that will be taken care of from the womb to the tomb. Is that what we want?
Personally I want less government in my life.


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Posted: 19-Oct-2007, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 18-Oct-2007, 08:06 PM)

If the Bitch gets elected, I belive I'll move to Canada!



You know I was pulling for Kucinich, but now I think I’ll start rutting for Hillary.
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Posted: 19-Oct-2007, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 18-Oct-2007, 08:43 PM)
I'm not a raving fan of Hilary, but when it comes to spending without adequate planning, there's just no comparison, either for wrongheadedness or the staggering amount of money blown.

OK, so there is a comparison. Excuse me:

To fund the entire SCHIP program for one year, one would simply have to stop funding the war in Iraq for one month. Doing the math, a one-year moratorium would fund health care for all children in the US for twelve years. The first twelve years is a nice long start for a foundation in good preventive health.

Now, I'm not saying that is a practical thing to do -- hard to call off a war for a one-year break and then resume, like the English stopping every afternoon at four for tea. But it does provide a little sense of scale, when it comes to the objection about "squandering" public money on health care for children. Even if a fraction of the war expenditure were spent on children and the rest on really effective and well-administered homeland security and infrastructure upkeep on our own turf, it would be a vast improvement in cost efficiency for the very things so many of us fear -- not to mention a considerable saving of what money can't pay for and never could: blood on the ground instead of running in the veins. Everybody's blood.
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