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Posted by: wizardofowls 05-May-2004, 07:50 PM
Personally, I like Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer and Perry Stone. My wife likes Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn and Creflo Dollar. Who are your favorites?

Posted by: MDF3530 05-May-2004, 07:58 PM
I can't stand any of those false prophets.

Posted by: wizardofowls 06-May-2004, 02:04 PM
Hey Mike!

Thanks for your opinion I'm truly sorry that you feel this way. But don't you feel that classing them ALL together in the group "false prophets" is just a little unfair and judgemental? unsure.gif

Posted by: MacEoghainn 06-May-2004, 05:54 PM
I really don't watch Televangelists, but when I'm flipping through the channels and stumble upon Dr. Fredrick Price or Dr. D. James Kennedy I will stop and listen to what they have to say. They "teach" more than "preach".

Posted by: tsargent62 07-May-2004, 06:56 AM
I don't think we can lump them all together, but I think a lot of them are more out for the money that to actually to the Lord's work. Oral Robert's is my example. He built a university and named it after himself. Then, he said the Lord came to him and said if he didn't raise a million dollars for his ministry he'd "bring him home". I couldn't believe people bought that! Isn't "going home" what all us Christians strive for? Why would God himself speak to Roberts and <u>threaten</u> him for not raising enough money? I know I shouldn't be judgemental, but I hate when supposed ministers of God defraud their people and build monuments to themselves. All in the name of God.

Posted by: Raven 07-May-2004, 08:16 AM
I understand why Mike has this opinion and having been close to a number of them I have to agree with him.

On the other hand I agree with WO as I have met a few that give the rest of them a good name.

KJV"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. "

What I have seen is televangelists bragging about their high percentage of accurate prophesy and by Biblical definition any percentage less than 100 makes them a false prophet (i.e. the Oral Roberts thing)

Posted by: Elspeth 07-May-2004, 08:53 AM
I haven't watched any of them. But flipping stations I have seen some who I think might be worthy of their time on TV.

However, like Mike, just the word televangelist has such a negative conotation. Maybe it's because I live in the shadow of Rex Humbart's tower he built to himself next to his cathedral. The locals have a colorful name for it I won't share here.

The good ones would do well to insist they be referred to as preachers, not televangelists.

Have we gotten off your topic wizard? I am glad there are some good ones on TV, especially for those who cannot get out to go to church.

Posted by: Raven 07-May-2004, 09:03 AM
QUOTE (Elspeth @ May 7 2004, 09:53 AM)

The good ones would do well to insist they be referred to as preachers, not televangelists.

Have we gotten off your topic wizard? I am glad there are some good ones on TV, especially for those who cannot get out to go to church.

Good point Elspeth

I actually run sound for a local Church that is televised every week. It is not tele-evangelism and for the most part the teaching is very good. It is their outreach to people who are not able to go to Church or are searching spiritually. They don't pressure the TV audience for money on any level.

Plus the people there are really nice too.

Peace

Mikel

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 08-May-2004, 10:03 AM
The only Televangelists that I like and respect is Dr. Billy Graham, but he is more an Evangelist than a Televangelist. He doesn't pander for money, and he shoots straight from the hip and keeps it simple and to the point---"Preaches only the Gospel." Whether you agree with his theology or not you will have to agree that his character and reputation are honorable and spottless. His track record spans the 20th century and into the 21st Century.

Just my threepence worth,
Roisin angel_not.gif

Posted by: Aragorn 10-May-2004, 04:37 PM
Well, I like only one maybe two.

Kenneth Copeland and Creflo Dollar. I usually do not watch any but if I happen on either of these I will watch em. I like someone who will teach not preach. I got burned out on watching them when they ask for all that money. Would not God provide for their ministry??

Posted by: jpmoore 12-May-2004, 01:29 PM
Which ones I like? Actually none. Well, Billy Graham is cool. I put him on a par with Mother Teresa.
Although I am a Believer with about 25 years under my belt being a Christian, I can take only so much preaching... walkman.gif

Posted by: RavenWing 12-May-2004, 01:52 PM
Televangelist go against everything I believe in. I watched my parents send all their money to them. So much that I had to walk around in shoes with holes in the sole because they had no money left to take care of their kids (us). But by golly, they sent so much money to Jim Bakker, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and DR Dobson, Richard Roberts, and the purple haired lady with caked on make-up from TBN so they could get a special gold leaf bible.



This is a really sore spot for me.

Posted by: Elspeth 13-May-2004, 07:45 AM
Yep, Raven Wing, you certianly hit the nail on the head. No person is a messenger of God if they are encouraging people to send them money so that they can live high off the hog while those they claim to be shepherding let their children go in want.

Posted by: Raven 13-May-2004, 08:06 AM
Me too. Sorry you had to go through that Raven Wing and I am sorry that these people can benefit from the hard work of others. sad.gif

Posted by: RavenWing 13-May-2004, 08:13 AM
QUOTE (Raven @ May 13 2004, 02:06 PM)
Me too. Sorry you had to go through that Raven Wing and I am sorry that these people can benefit from the hard work of others. sad.gif

The funny thing is, I have no problem with someone benefitting from the hard work of others, I just have a problem with people neglecting theor responsibilities.

Posted by: Elspeth 13-May-2004, 08:38 AM
I know I'm sliding off topic here, but I have struggled with this. We have four children to provide for on a limited income. I may be wrong, but I always felt that God gave me these incredible little people to raise into adults. That in this point in time - they are my main responsibility. Their basic needs are my first priority. Many times that has meant we didn't have any money to give to church. I can't help but believe God is OK with that. And if I am wrong, I believe He will forgive me.

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 13-May-2004, 10:19 PM
QUOTE (Elspeth @ May 13 2004, 08:38 AM)
I know I'm sliding off topic here, but I have struggled with this. We have four children to provide for on a limited income. I may be wrong, but I always felt that God gave me these incredible little people to raise into adults. That in this point in time - they are my main responsibility. Their basic needs are my first priority. Many times that has meant we didn't have any money to give to church. I can't help but believe God is OK with that. And if I am wrong, I believe He will forgive me.

Elspeth,

I don't think you are wrong. God owns the universe and he doesn't need our money. I believe giving into the work of the Lord is established so that we can have a part in what God is doing in the lives of others---Charity work, etc., etc. But I don't believe God would want you to allow your children to go hungry or do without so a organization can spend your money.

Ravenwing,

As to those televangelists who hored or pander money through manipulation, I believe is one of the worst "Sins". It is these "types" that have hurt the cause of Christ and tarnished the image of Christianity. I apologize for their horrible behavior.

Peace,
Roisin

Posted by: Herrerano 14-May-2004, 12:09 PM
Luke 20, verses 46 and 47 seem strangely appropriate.

"Be on guard against the scribes, who like to go around in long robes and love greetings in marketplaces, seats of honor in synagogues, and places of honor at banquets.
They devour the houses of widows and, as a pretext, recite lengthy prayers. They will receive a very severe condemnation."


Leo tongue.gif

Posted by: Raven 14-May-2004, 12:25 PM
QUOTE (RavenWing @ May 13 2004, 09:13 AM)
The funny thing is, I have no problem with someone benefitting from the hard work of others, I just have a problem with people neglecting theor responsibilities.

Hmmm I guess I didn't say that right unsure.gif big suprise tongue.gif

I'm sorry that these people are taking hard earned wages from good hearted honest working class people under false pretenses.

Like Leo said and like Roisen said. I think that they will get justice in the end.

Still sorry you had to go through that Ravenwing sad.gif

Posted by: MacEoghainn 14-May-2004, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (Elspeth @ May 13 2004, 10:38 AM)
I know I'm sliding off topic here, but I have struggled with this. We have four children to provide for on a limited income. I may be wrong, but I always felt that God gave me these incredible little people to raise into adults. That in this point in time - they are my main responsibility. Their basic needs are my first priority. Many times that has meant we didn't have any money to give to church. I can't help but believe God is OK with that. And if I am wrong, I believe He will forgive me.

Let me wander even further offtopic.gif :
Mark 12:41-44 (KJV)
41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

God doesn't judge the amount, but instead he judges the heart of the giver.

Posted by: CelticRose 21-May-2004, 03:43 PM
I have a REAL problem with televangelists! I just do not like them at all and I get sick to death of hearing them beg for money! And half of them I do not agree with scripturally anyway.

RavenWing! don't forget about the pink haired lady either...lol I forget who she is the wife of! They are on Trinity Broadcast! Her outfits embarrass me to no end and that hair!

The only two preachers I listen to on television is Billy Graham and Dr. Charles Stanley.


Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 22-May-2004, 11:25 AM
QUOTE (CelticRose @ May 21 2004, 03:43 PM)
I have a REAL problem with televangelists! I just do not like them at all and I get sick to death of hearing them beg for money! And half of them I do not agree with scripturally anyway.

RavenWing! don't forget about the pink haired lady either...lol I forget who she is the wife of! They are on Trinity Broadcast! Her outfits embarrass me to no end and that hair!

The only two preachers I listen to on television is Billy Graham and Dr. Charles Stanley.

Hey Rose those are the only ones I watch as well. I've shook my head so many times at the Christian women with the Big hair and Big make-up eyes. We are suppose to be representives of Christ down here---not a side show at a Carnival.

Posted by: Raven 22-May-2004, 11:40 AM
You Go R/T tongue.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 22-May-2004, 12:10 PM
QUOTE (Roisin-Teagan @ May 22 2004, 12:25 PM)
QUOTE (CelticRose @ May 21 2004, 03:43 PM)
I have a REAL problem with televangelists! I just do not like them at all and I get sick to death of hearing them beg for money!  And half of them I do not agree with  scripturally anyway.

RavenWing! don't forget about the pink haired lady either...lol I forget who she is the wife of!  They are on Trinity Broadcast! Her outfits embarrass me to no end and that hair! 

The only two preachers I listen to on television is Billy Graham and Dr. Charles Stanley.

Hey Rose those are the only ones I watch as well. I've shook my head so many times at the Christian women with the Big hair and Big make-up eyes. We are suppose to be representives of Christ down here---not a side show at a Carnival.

Isn't that the truth, Roisin! I am embarrassed sometimes of what our Christian brothers and sister do sometimes before the world.

Posted by: Siobhan Blues 03-Jul-2004, 12:53 PM
The only tv preacher I ever really liked was Billy Graham - didn't he rock! Poor guy, his health is getting bad now (doesn't he have Parkinson's disease!) and he's not preaching as much but I hope he'll continue to write.

SB

Posted by: dfilpus 03-Jul-2004, 06:13 PM
QUOTE (Siobhan Blues @ 03-Jul-2004, 01:53 PM)
The only tv preacher I ever really liked was Billy Graham - didn't he rock! Poor guy, his health is getting bad now (doesn't he have Parkinson's disease!) and he's not preaching as much but I hope he'll continue to write.

Agree that Billy Graham is the best of the lot. I am afraid that his writing is going to be hard going in the future. He can dictate to assistants, because physical manipulation is difficult, if not dangerous.

My mother has developed Parkinson's in the last year. She can no longer take care of herself physically. My father has to feed her and hold onto her when she walks without a walker. She has fallen twice. The first time she lost several teeth and has needed reconstructive surgery. The second time she broke her wrist. She cannot use a walker until the cast/splint comes off. It is a dreadful condition, to see a active mind locked in a body that cannot function.



Posted by: CelticRose 03-Jul-2004, 06:31 PM
Oh Dilfus! I am so very very sorry to hear this about your mother. It must be so very difficult to see this. I lost my mother last week and I know a wee bit about your grief. There is nothing like your mother, no matter the relationship.

Posted by: BluegrassLady 03-Jul-2004, 08:54 PM
QUOTE (Siobhan Blues @ 03-Jul-2004, 02:53 PM)
The only tv preacher I ever really liked was Billy Graham - didn't he rock!
SB

I agree. Billy Graham is one of the few whom I trust

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 04-Jul-2004, 03:11 PM
My sister-in-law said she read that Billy Graham doesn't have Parkinsons---it was misdiagnosed. What he does have was cured or treated with medication.

He is the best, and really the only real televangelist. He keeps it simple---just the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Posted by: CelticRose 04-Jul-2004, 04:49 PM
Wow! That is really great news about Billy Graham. I hope he has been cured of whatever he had. Don't see too much of him these days though, must be because of his age. I wonder if his son Franklin will start preaching in his place. He is wonderful too.

Posted by: WizardofOwls 04-Jul-2004, 07:10 PM
I seem to be in a minority of one here, but there are several that I DO trust! Joyce Meyer and Creflo Dollar to name just two. I'm sorry that the rest of you feel the way you do, but hey! to each his (or her) own!

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 05-Jul-2004, 01:44 AM
Joyce Meyer is O.K. but Creflo Dollar is all about the money---we watched his show over a three month period and every telecast was about money in some shape or fashion. Why do all roads lead to money with these (most) televangelists/ministries????

Yes we need money to fuel the Gospel but it seems to line their pockets instead. Look at all the money these different ministries bring in---a movie like the Passion of The Christ could have been made years ago. It took a Hollywood actor to do it. Shame on us (The Christiandom Establishment)!!!

Sorry if I stepped on any toes out there---but I have to be honest. I lean toward Rich Mullins' and Brennan Manning's and St. Francis of Asissi's approach or convictions...Go and preach the Gospel...use words if necessary (paraphrased).

Just my threepence worth,
Roisin

Posted by: CelticRose 05-Jul-2004, 03:30 PM
Didn't step on my toes! What I think you said, Roisin, is right on. thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Siobhan Blues 16-Jul-2004, 11:33 AM
QUOTE (Roisin-Teagan @ 05-Jul-2004, 02:44 AM)
Joyce Meyer is O.K. but Creflo Dollar is all about the money---we watched his show over a three month period and every telecast was about money in some shape or fashion. Why do all roads lead to money with these (most) televangelists/ministries????

I guess their feet are made of clay... the love of money (which someone once said is the root of all evil wink.gif ) gets to them too just like it does to the nonbeliever. Anybody can fall victim to that, can't they...

I like the way Billy Graham's organization keeps their funding going mainly towards taking the message of Jesus to people through the crusades & publishing. You don't see a lot of bling bling on Mrs. Graham's hands, or dear Billy driving around Black Mountain in a limo...

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Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 18-Jul-2004, 11:19 PM


The old adage that says one rotten apple makes the whole barrel rotten is not correct...we all have to stand on our own character and be judged by our actions. So there are good televangelist along with the bad.

Posted by: Siobhan Blues 29-Jul-2004, 08:41 AM
Absolutely! There are well-intentioned evangelists on the telly and on tour around the country that are doing their best to spread the gospel. I wish them much success.

Posted by: SCShamrock 21-Aug-2004, 07:57 PM
I guess the idea of televangelizm is the evangelizing (preaching the gospel of Christ) on the television. That said, I don't spend a lot of time watching the evangelical message as I have been a believer in Christ for the last 26 years. I do, however, love a good bible teacher. My favorite in this arena is Adrian Rogers. For a good fire and brimstone preacher who is biblically accurate and is excellent at keeping Jesus elevated to his proper place, I recommend John Hagee.

Others I like are David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley, and of course Billy Graham. These people seem to be driven only to share the word of God, and to bring the saving message of Jesus Christ to those that are lost.

As for the likes of Benny Hinn, all I can say is YECH! They might know the bible, and be able to share the gospel, but that don't mean they're serving God. When they put their face in the camera and close their eyes, saying there's someone out there with a kidney problem, that just makes me sick. I can honestly say that there's someone here with a heart condition. Statistically speaking, there's probably over 100 on this board with heart trouble.

So, send me your money if you have a heart condition. Why not send me all your money if you have a heart at all, cause these things wear out! Just touch your monitor and ask yourself if you can live with not sending what you can. Puhleeeease! wacko.gif

Posted by: MacAibhistin 21-Aug-2004, 08:34 PM
I like the more humble preachers such as Billy Graham and James Robison. But I have to agree with many others here, that most of the tv evangelists are rather obnoxious and are fairly out of touch with the real world. We need more Christians like Mother Teresa and the late great Rich Mullins.

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