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Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 26-Nov-2003, 04:02 PM

Here's a quote I thought was rather interesting.

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So, do not be afraid to cultivate your ethnic roots. It is a positive and wholesome expression of our culture. It will protect your children from the nihilistic vacuum of consumer-oriented pop culture being pushed by multi-cultural Europhobes. Children that understand their place within a noble people and culture that has endured for over three thousand years do not have to search for a place to belong. Equally so for adults. Southerners can rejoice; not only has the Celt endured he will prevail.

The essay from which it is taken is somewhat lengthy, but thought-provoking whether one agrees with the author or not.
See http://www.dixienet.org/spatriot/vol3no5/member13.html.

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 26-Nov-2003, 05:36 PM

very interesting article... and controversial.. halfway thru by now

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Just to make sure everyone is on the same page, a definition of Anglo-Celt might prove useful. Anglo-Celt: 1) a Celt who speaks English, yet retains Celtic cultural characteristics, folkways and a common group identity; to a lessor extent we could also add 2) any hybrid of Celtic and English, i.e. person, culture, art, etc. The Anglo prefix merely signifies use of the English language, a useful classification because there are still several native Celtic languages that have survived into modern times. While Anglo-Celt can apply to many people in the British Isles and large parts of the population of various ex-British colonies, it is the South where Anglo-Celts established a homeland and have retained many of their core cultural traits

This one confuses me a bit tho.. wth is an Anglo-Celt... I mean the definition makes it clear but I think the history of the British Isles speaks against it... *blinks*

Well back to reading

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 26-Nov-2003, 05:40 PM

mmmhhhh.... errr.... interesting...

That man is not really up to date with history is he?

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Posted by: Richard Bercot 27-Nov-2003, 01:56 AM

I found this article very interesting to say the least.

It seems that the problems that we are having here is the same elsewhere too.

If one looks at the American Heritage, you would find that it is comprised of Mostly Native Americans and Celtic People. You would find name of places and towns name for these people.

The Celtic People mingled with the Native Americans very well. I am not saying that they were all buddie buddies. Because some of the Greatest American Generals and Indian fighters were of Celtic Origins. But that the two Peoples understood each other in many ways like that of Clansmen. I have studies the American History for many of years and not the "Text Book" stuff, but the actual records. I will not use the Text Book unless I need it to get me to the approximate location of an incident.

I think that this article should be posted to where everone could read it.

And Aon Daonna, is it any wonder the the British Isles would object to any thing of this nature? And, No Ma'm, this is in no way meaning that I am picking on you. It just so happens that you are the only other one who has posted here.

From my own finding, I have found that I am in much agreement with this person who wrote this article.

So Thank you, Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas, for finding and sharing this article with us.

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 27-Nov-2003, 09:35 AM

Don't you worry, I don't see it as picking

Naa.. I just thought about what is Celtic, and what remains of it... words in the English language and maybe a few minor traditions. Speaking of Anglo-Celts is getting a wee bit far since the Saxons did play a role, as well as the Normans or any other kind of General tribe.

I think you said it before somewhere else Barddas, (I'll search for it later).. look at the history of the british isles... I mean not only tribes getting in and out but also tribes being driven from what they considered as their homes...

(btw: I think the archetypical celt has black hair and blue eyes.. the red hair comes from other tribes as far as I know)..

I mean it is an interesting theory with which I don't fully agree.. (I also think the author takes it a bit too far into the extreme, but that is one way of making people look at a theory.. belongs to rhetorics).

I would say the British Isles are an interesting mixture of people, walk along a busy high street and you can see basically anything. Normans, Saxons, Norsemen, Celts ... per definition at least. Which is a diversity I like alot (not to mention people from all kinds of other cultures! I just love looking at interesting people and beautiful people and I'm often lucky here

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I don't speak about Anglo-Saxons for one point either btw: simply because in English culture a real lot is based on Norman traditions as well as the Norman language. And the English culture did play a great role in the British Isles, Robert the Bruce was of almost pure Norman background, so was Wallace and alot of other people. As well as the fact that the English imposed alot of their culture on others (look Ireland).. so the British Isles are quite a mixing pot in themselves... Ancient cultures didn't just vanish but were assimilated ...

That is what I know out of books btw, everyone else who knows better: feel free to correct me.

But that is a reason why I don't like calling things Anglo-something.. because it's not only that (at least not here).

Some of other reasons the author takes are a bit weird as well.. (from rhetorical point of view as well as my personal): I think (I'll search later) he somewhere says that the celtic culture was preserved by isolation (I agree with that) and by the brave scottish warriors (or something similar..) ... mmh...
I hope the good man knows that the brave scottish warriors were a) farmers,

yokels.. they didn't know it better. Their High Lords adopted English manners, English language and English clothing. Plus the fact that after the second Rising everything Scottish was supressed very much. That is why so many of the old tartans are lost, for example. In Ireland that opression began much earlier of course. And most of the Protestants there are of Scottish ancestry...

mmh.. talked far too much again.. I really need to go. Laters =)

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 28-Nov-2003, 09:06 AM

Got to say sorry, Richard..

I mistook you for barddas since he used to have the same avatar *smacks her forehead*

Sorry =) I still go with my post though

Posted by: Richard Bercot 28-Nov-2003, 03:54 PM

QUOTE (Aon_Daonna @ Nov 28 2003, 10:06 AM)

Got to say sorry, Richard..

I mistook you for barddas since he used to have the same avatar *smacks her forehead*

Sorry =) I still go with my post though

Aon Daonna,

I hope Barddas never used this Avatar because this picture is of me.

It was taken of me on a Movie set back in 1996 and to the best of my knowledge it was not out for the public to see.

There may be one that is simular, I don't know?

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 28-Nov-2003, 06:56 PM

well.. not that one *grins* it's the Bravehearty one.. =)

I quite like yer photo though =)

Posted by: Richard Bercot 28-Nov-2003, 07:06 PM

QUOTE (Aon_Daonna @ Nov 28 2003, 07:56 PM)

well.. not that one *grins* it's the Bravehearty one.. =)

I quite like yer photo though =)

I didn't know that Barddas had used the Mel Gibson one.

It only goes the the two of us has good tastes.

Thank you for you comment on my pic, I am rather proud of that one,

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 29-Nov-2003, 04:54 PM

mmh.. dunno about the taste thing like *laughs*

Don't mind Braveheart as a film but Mel Gibson looked a bit weird in it.. a bit tooo much the :-< face

and his accent was soooooo riddiculous..

Posted by: maisky 14-Dec-2003, 01:07 PM

It's not that I question "Celtic" culture in the US. I question "Culture" in the US.

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 14-Dec-2003, 02:54 PM

If I said that I'd get my head bashed in from all sides! *grins mischivously* well well, land of the hamburger, we thank you for it!