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Posted: 29-Oct-2008, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (flora @ 29-Oct-2008, 05:42 PM)
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Thank you for your research into this email information. I don't wish to offend anyone and everyone has a right to their opinion. But from what I read there was not much of difference in the statement. Going from 15 to 20 percent taxes to 28 even if "it might not happen" is still raising taxes.

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But only for people making over $250,000 a year. That sure as heck leaves me out.


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Posted: 29-Oct-2008, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE (TheCarolinaScotsman @ 29-Oct-2008, 10:34 PM)
Where did you get your information? Why is it that people are ready to believe any rumor about Obama, but don't want to listen to the truth. Show me some evidence that this tape exists, otherwise it is just another wild rumor and lie that is circulating.

I saw a clip about it on CNN and Fox

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Posted: 30-Oct-2008, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE (TheCarolinaScotsman @ 29-Oct-2008, 09:36 PM)
But only for people making over $250,000 a year. That sure as heck leaves me out.

And because you do not fit into this category, that makes it okay? It's Marxist. Barbara West, the Orlando reporter who questioned Biden about this issue nailed it. From easch according to his ability, to each according to his need is the Karl Marx mantra. So, how is Obama's ideas of taxing the rich more NOT like Marxism?


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The claim that Obama would impose "new taxes on natural resources" may refer to his support for a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions, which indeed would impose large costs on industries burning coal, gas or oil and, indirectly, on their consumers. But McCain also supports cap-and-trade legislation, and even coauthored an early version of a bill that reached the Senate floor this year. Obama's plan would give the federal government more of the revenue from auctioning pollution permits than McCain's plan. Whether cap-and-trade amounts to a "tax" is a matter of interpretation. The fact is neither McCain nor Obama call it that.


The other fact is that the majority of people don't realize how much this would impact them.

I don't have current figures on this, but as of 2001 60% of the electricity generated in North America was from coal-fired power plants.

Just about everything you buy has been transported to the store by truck, the freight industry is another one burning fossil fuels.

How do you heat your home, and how does that fuel arrive? If it's heating oil or propane, it's delivered by truck. Electricity is covered above. Unless you're on piped-in natural gas or wood, odds are you'll see this increase.

Where do you buy your food? How does it arrive at the grocery store? How about clothing? Both are distributed by the freight industry, which burns fossil fuels to deliver them.

No matter what, if this goes through it will impact all of us in our wallets.


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I got the news from a discussion on the Fox News O'reilly Program who suggested we research it for ourselves. I found the discussion coming out of the LA Times office itself. Which is where I learned about the morality of not wanting to create a problem for the person who provided them the tape which they admit they have. rolleyes.gif

Another thing that really concerns me is that if Obama would promise to abide by governmental campaign financing if McCain would. McCain said he would also. Obama changed his mind. On what other issues will he change his mind when the other side agrees to his presentation. Will it be like Pelosi who got most of the votes she needed to pass the first attempted bailout package when McCain came back to help. If you remember there were enough votes to pass the bill until she stood up and went on a harangue blaming everything on the Bush administration and sabotaged the deal with the conservative republicans. If party is more important than country for Pelosi, what will she do to implement democratic agenda, whether or not Obama wants it.

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Those who want to work need a decent wage! Those who cannot work need to be taken care of! Those who WILL NOT work need to starve to death! I'm tired of working to support the LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!  -Dogshirt-


Yes Dogshirt...as cruel as "starvation" may come off, I agree. The reality is that every abled body needs to work to contribute to social security and the economy. It's not social programs per se that I have a problem with (as you poignantly stated above), it's socialism and the entitlement-mindedness that comes w/it that I despise.

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QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 30-Oct-2008, 01:23 AM)
So, how is Obama's ideas of taxing the rich more NOT like Marxism?

Were we a Marxist country ten years ago? The rate Obama is proposing is the same as it was then.
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Posted: 30-Oct-2008, 07:14 AM
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QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 29-Oct-2008, 10:21 PM)
Those who want to work need a decent wage! Those who cannot work need to be taken care of! Those who WILL NOT work need to starve to death! I'm tired of working to support the LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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You are right and there are too many who feel "entitled" to a living at taxpayer expense. Many worked for me on the "work fare" program to get food stamps.

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Posted: 30-Oct-2008, 07:19 AM
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QUOTE (Jillian @ 30-Oct-2008, 06:52 AM)

Yes Dogshirt...as cruel as "starvation" may come off, I agree. The reality is that every abled body needs to work to contribute to social security and the economy. It's not social programs per se that I have a problem with (as you poignantly stated above), it's socialism and the entitlement-mindedness that comes w/it that I despise.

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Were we a Marxist country ten years ago? The rate Obama is proposing is the same as it was then.

No we were not but one party controlled the Executive office and the other controlled the House and Senate ten years ago. Gridlock is about the best political state we can have. I will only be that way if McCain wins. No legislative seats will be picked up on his "coat tails."

An Obama win will sweep a lot of R's out of office. D's traditionally institute more social programs. Maybe that is what we will need now. FDR started it. Since we are now in totally uncharted territory one can only guess as to where we are headed. As best I can research, no country has ever done such damage to it's self.

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QUOTE (Patch @ 30-Oct-2008, 11:56 AM)
Exon Mobile just posted the largest quarterly profit ever.  14 plus billion which shattered its own record.  Think where prices could be without that.



Folks want to complain about the high price of gas and the extreme profits of Exxon, but when it's suggested that Exxon could pay taxes on that windfall profit, many of the same people start crying unfair and/or shouting socialism. (no Patch, I'm not picking on you. Your quote was just convenient.) You can't have it both ways.
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The CarolinaScotsman;

I agree with you. If any large corporation paid their fare share of taxes then it would relieve the burden on the working Middle Class. There are corporations here, the Big Banks being the worst offenders, that owe Revenue Canada Billions.

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I don't think the big corporations paying more taxes will be a guarantee to help relieve the burden on middle class. The more money the government gets, the more money they spend and not on social programs either.

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flora;

I understand what you mean bit isn't up to the people to curb that spending. Ontario alone is being short changed 22 Billion a year. If Revenue Canada got all the money it was owed then things would definately be different and Ontario would not be on the brink of being a "Have Not" Province.


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QUOTE (TheCarolinaScotsman @ 30-Oct-2008, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE (Patch @ 30-Oct-2008, 11:56 AM)
Exon Mobile just posted the largest quarterly profit ever.  14 plus billion which shattered its own record.  Think where prices could be without that.



Folks want to complain about the high price of gas and the extreme profits of Exxon, but when it's suggested that Exxon could pay taxes on that windfall profit, many of the same people start crying unfair and/or shouting socialism. (no Patch, I'm not picking on you. Your quote was just convenient.) You can't have it both ways.

I take no offense. I just thought it interesting that these profits could be generated when a lot fewer people are on the roads and some are cutting food and heat to drive to work. I do not understand how profits can legitimately go up that much when they are selling less product. Less demand lowered crude prices. The next quarterly report will really be interesting.

One answer to commuting is, move closer to your employer. Some due to a mortgage on a home they can not sell because of falling home prices and tight credit can not move.

I believe that every business should be allowed to make a fair profit. However it appears obvious to me that both Industry and Government are totally out of control!

I wish I had answers. I certainly have enough questions.

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