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This is precisely what a number of Middle East experts (including a good many of our European allies) predicted before we invaded Iraq. We can't stop the violence because we're too civilized to use the brutal means--which would include the use of torture and the killing of innocent bystanders--necessary to find and deal with the people committing the atrocities. We can't pull out without appearing to follow the Spanish example, which I agree only encourages further atrocities. But, we can't really accomplish anything by staying--if we can't protect members of our hand-selected new government who can we protect? We've let an evil djin out of the bottle, and appear to be incapable of putting him back.
There was a time when we feared Soviet nukes. We did the 'duck and cover' in school. We built underground shelters. NORAD monitored the skies. We had B52's fully loaded and only minutes away from Soviet airspace, ready for the GO - NO GO.
Today there are civilians with C4 strapped to their belts. There are guys with explosives hidden in their shoes. I read something yesterday that said that dying as a martyr in Islam carries more 'blessing' than just dying of old age. So now we have people that actually WANT to die and kill as many infidels as possible to receive 'greater blessings' from Allah.
It's 2004, and we still have Saudi schools teaching that Jews make their meals out of Arab blood, and that Americans are to be killed on sight.
Personally I find this to be unacceptable. I'm waiting for the rest of the world to come to the same conclusion. Co-existance is impossible with this Islamic mindset.
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Clan Mac Cullaich: - Brewed in Scotland - Bottled in Ulster - Uncorked in America
Don't forget the mindset and teachings in remote (and not so remote) parts of certain Southern states that we won't mention where kids are taught that dancing is evil and that Catholics worship the devil.
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"If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." Carl Sagan
Paul M. Johnson Jr. had his head chopped off by Islamic terrorists. The event was videotaped, and pictures were sent through the internet. Those that did this are proud and happy of what they've done.
The head of the al-Qaida cell that killed Paul M. Johnson Jr. justified targeting the American engineer in a message written before he himself was killed in a gunbattle with Saudi security forces.
In an article posted Sunday on a Web site used by Islamic radicals, Abdulaziz al-Moqrin called Johnson "an infidel, a warrior of the military."
Johnson, who had worked on Apache helicopters for Lockheed Martin in Saudi Arabia, "works for military aviation and he belongs to the American army, which kills, tortures and harms Muslims everywhere, which supports enemies (of Islam) in Palestine, Philippines, Kashmir," al-Moqrin wrote.
Get used to more and more of this. You either stand, or bow to these people.
Where does it say we have to "stand" in their yard? We have NO business being in Iraq. The latest killing was in S. A., but it is a direct result of our stupid invasion of Iraq.
it is a direct result of our stupid invasion of Iraq.
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Invade Iraq --> chop off heads of American civilians in Saudi Arabia. Invade Iraq --> chop off heads of South Koreans civilians in Saudi Arabia.
"The infidel got his fair treatment," the terrorists said about the South Korean after chopping off his head.
These Islamic menaces have no humanity. Not one ounce. They are cruel, cunning, capable ruthless monsters. They are certainly not civilized, and also not quite human.
Saddam gave these monsters free reign. Lee Hamilton, Vice Chairman of the 9/11 Commission Panel, says "There were connections between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's government. We don't disagree with that."
Saddam gave these monsters money. Vladimir Putin said that he warned the U.S. after 9/11 that his Russian intelligence forces, who were a lot closer to Saddam's regime than our own intelligence forces, had determined that Saddam was preparing terrorist attacks on the United States.
Saddam gave these monsters free training facilities. The 9/11 Commission has received new information indicating that a senior officer in an elite unit of Saddam's security services may have been a member of Al-Qaeda. Not just a member of Al-Qaeda, but one involved in the planning of the 9/11 hijackings.
The overall War On Terror included Saddam's regime. Sit and complain all you want, but the removal of Saddam was a necessary step in the War On Terror. To remove Saddam does mean "we have to stand in their yard". And it ain't over yet.
And what do you mean by "their yard"? Do you imply that al Qaeda (the ones doing all the head chopping) considers Iraq (where our military forces currently are) to be "their yard"? Why Brother Maisky, I think you are I are finally agreeing on something! And you are exactly correct: Iraq was al Qaeda's playground, it was their yard. Thank you for that defense of Bush's actions.
- At the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich, several athletes were massacred. - In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Tehran was taken over and 52 hostages held for more than a year. - In 1983, U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut were blown up, killing 241 U.S. soldiers. - In 1988, Pan Am flight 103 was bombed, killing 270 people. - In 1993, there was the first bombing of the World Trade Center. - In 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed, resulting in more than 200 dead and 4,000 injured. - In 2001 the World Trade Center was reduced to rubble, killing more than 3,000 Americans.
- "Fight those who do not believe in Allah" (Surat At-Taubah 9:29). - "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them" (Quran 8:12). - "The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures" (Quran 98:1-8). - "Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam), until they are subdued" (Surat At-Taubah 9:29).
Can anybody name three ongoing world conflicts in which radical Islam is not involved?
Dr. Thomas Sowell observes, "Those in the Islamic world have for centuries been taught to regard themselves as far superior to the 'infidels' of the West, while everything they see with their own eyes now tells them otherwise." He adds, "Nowhere have whole peoples seen their situation reversed more visibly or more painfully than the peoples of the Islamic world." Sowell adds that few people, once at the top of civilization, accept their reversals of fortune gracefully. Moreover, they don't blame themselves for their plight. For the Muslim world, it's the West who's to blame.
History never repeats itself exactly, but we might benefit from the knowledge of factors leading to the decline of past great civilizations. Rome was one of those advanced civilizations. Rome was so caught up in "bread and circuses" and moral decline that it couldn't manage to defend itself from invading barbaric hordes who ultimately plunged Europe into the Dark Ages.
The fight against worldwide Islamic terrorism is World War 3. Stand and fight, or sit and appease and enjoy the New Dark Ages.
More people are waking up to the idiocy of the invasion of Bushnam.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- For the first time since the start of the war in Iraq, a majority of Americans surveyed in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll say the United States made a mistake in sending troops to that country.
Fifty-four percent of those polled said it was a mistake to send U.S. troops to Iraq, compared with 41 percent who expressed that sentiment in early June.
Most respondents to the poll, 55 percent, also said they don't believe the war has made the United States safer from terrorism -- rejecting an argument that President Bush has repeatedly advanced in his rationale for the war.
In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes it kills 63 people.
Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and does nothing. Again.
Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber.
The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.
Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.
Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the snooze alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US interests are continually attacked.
Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.
The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.
Clinton treated these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. But these are acts of war.
The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?
Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.
A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively.
They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision.
They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.
The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.
And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.
Finally a President decides to do something about it, and he is vilified.
And here we go again. Al-Jazeera television is reporting that Islamic terrorists have murdered U.S. Army Spc. Matt Maupin. The video is grainy, dark and murky, and Pentagon officials said it was inconclusive, but it's probably what it says it is. after all, by now we should know one thing: when a bunch of Islamic Jihadists say they're going to kill somebody, that's usually what happens.
And just how was it carried out? On the tape, it shows him (or someone like him) kneeling on the ground with his back to the camera before he is shot and murdered in cold blood. And for what? Just like all Islamic terrorism, no reason at all.
So why do these terrorists keep doing this? President Bush nailed it on the head yesterday, speaking at the NATO summit. He said that the insurgents were taking hostages because they couldn't beat our military. Then, he also said this: "What they can do is get on your TV screens and stand in front of your TV cameras and cut someone's head off in order to get us to cringe and retreat. That's their strongest weapon." He's exactly right. We can't really expect a free press to not tell us what's going on. So, the question comes down to this. Are Americans tough enough to withstand the onslaught of images and news about the brutality of these adherents to the so-called "religion of peace?"
Until the new Iraqi government really cracks down on this, there appears to be no end to the hostage-taking and the murdering. And they need to crack down...not the wimpy, politically correct response that we started when we were in charge. No, it's time for the Iraqis to hit back against these "insurgents." And by the way, they're not "insurgents." They're Islamic radicals. They practice Islam. They're terrorists. They just shot and killed an American soldier in cold blood, right on TV. Think the war on terror isn't justified? Remember ... these Islamic maniacs have pledged to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans right here ... on our own soil.
Key points ? Terrorists thought to have targeted at least two US flights in dry-run attacks ? 9/11 Commission warns attack worse than Twin Towers 'probable' ? Cameras caught 9/11 terrorists setting off security alarms prior to hijacking
Key quote "Every expert with whom we spoke told us an attack of even greater magnitude is now possible and even probable. We do not have the luxury of time" - Tom Kean, chairman 9/11 commission
Story in full DEVASTATING new evidence has emerged that terrorists are preparing another attack on the United States, with air marshals and flight crews reporting a series of dry runs for attacks on aircraft in mid-air.
At least two flights are thought to have been targeted so far by groups of Middle Eastern men who appear to be forming a plan of attack.
On one flight an air marshal reportedly broke into an onboard toilet to find that a mirror had been removed and that a Middle Eastern man was trying to break through a wall to the cockpit.
One air marshal told the Washington Times newspaper yesterday: "No doubt these are dry runs for a terrorist attack."
The revelation came on the day a major US report into the 11 September attacks warned that another attack was likely.
The commission recommended an overhaul of the country?s intelligence services to prevent al-Qaeda launching more deadly plots against America.
Warning that an attack "of even greater magnitude" than the one that killed almost 3,000 people in 2001 was "probable", the commission accused the Clinton and Bush administrations of failing to have sufficient imagination to have envisaged al-Qaeda?s lethal plot.
Tom Kean, the chairman of the commission, said: "Every expert with whom we spoke told us an attack of even greater magnitude is now possible and even probable. We do not have the luxury of time.
"We must prepare and we must act. The al-Qaeda network and its affiliates are sophisticated, patient, disciplined and lethal."
Airline staff and passengers have catalogued repeated incidents that suggest new attacks are in preparation.
Yes Al Quaeda is planning more attacks. It is a pity that we are futzing around in Iraq instead of focusing our resources on going after Al Quaeda. As it is, we are streatched MUCH to thin, with far too many of our resources tied down in Bushnam. The Arab world would have been far less upset with us for targeting the terrorists rather than making an illegal and immoral invasion. Our actions have generated the vast majority of the hatred for the US world wide. This is NOT just in the world of Islam, but the rest of the world, too. Al Queada is having NO problem recruiting thousands more members and collecting funds from around the world. Thank you very much, Cheney/bush for the enemies.
Osama's 1996 declaration of jihad against all Americans came out of the Gulf War, the one sanctioned by the UN, before the liberation of Iraq.
The attack of the USS Cole (a genuine attack against a US warship, which Clinton did nothing about) came before the liberation of Iraq.
The first attack on the World Trade Towers (which had the intended effect of demolishing the buildings) came before the liberation of Iraq.
The various attacks on subways and nightclubs came before the liberation of Iraq.
Americans were dying at the hands of al Qaeda and its clones long before before the liberation of Iraq.
Al Qaeda no longer has a country it can go to for aid and resupply thanks to the liberation of Iraq.
If Iraq does become a democracy the social effect to al Qaeda is far greater than any US bomb could do. Al Qaeda will be receiving far fewer funds from Saddam now.
Illegal and immoral invasion? Tony Blair argued that the ceasefire resolution (Resolution 1441) and subsequent resolutions are like any other international agreement. In the case of material breach of a multilateral treaty, in some cases, all the parties may respond, including, where appropriate, by coercive countermeasures. Or do you believe that only the UN may authorize the use of force? Does the UN have the power to rule over independent members? Kerry does. I don't.
Blair argued that some of their uses of force against Iraq following the Gulf War are justified as humanitarian intervention. He said that the doctrine of humanitarian intervention could also support force against Iraq for regime change.
Bush, on the other hand, espoused the right of preemptive self-defense. He believed that this doctrine would support invading Iraq regardless of what the UN Security Council says or even of what Iraq does to comply. The doctrine of preemptive force purports to allow the United States to use military force against a perceived threat or even to prevent threats from developing. Bush saw Iraq as posing just such a future threat.
According to the UN in cases of threat that lack the objective evidence of an armed attack, either under way or imminent, the defender needs Security Council authorization to use significant military force. Do we really desire the UN to have this level of control over one of its members?
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