I thought it was a lot better than it was given credit..
Slainte
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| Posted by: Macfive 31-Jul-2005, 08:18 PM |
| I just saw the movie 'White Noise' tonight. This is one freaky movie. I wouldn't recommend you see this movie alone! Here is the website on the movie: http://www.whitenoisemovie.com/ And there is a timeline on this site about EVP! Check it out if you dare! |
| Posted by: Rindy1202 31-Jul-2005, 09:14 PM |
| Hi Macfive, I saw that movie I liked it except I felt like I needed to run over and fix the fuzz...Thanks for the link.. I thought it was a lot better than it was given credit.. Slainte |
| Posted by: CelticCoalition 01-Aug-2005, 10:07 AM |
| The movie was alright...but freaked me out pretty good. I don't think I'd want to mess around with that stuff, but has anyone on here tried it? |
| Posted by: Shadows 01-Aug-2005, 03:34 PM |
| The movie was great! Yes I have tried it long before it even had a name... I have a 4 channel discrete reel to reel studio grade tape recorder and player... it has a white noise generator... I let this record over night several times and it creeped me out... the dead ( or someone ) speak in the nite! |
| Posted by: CelticCoalition 01-Aug-2005, 04:13 PM |
| So you have had contact huh? Anything interesting that you've been able to decipher from the dead? |
| Posted by: Shadows 01-Aug-2005, 04:31 PM |
| If you read my posts in the "Grove" you will know that I walk between the worlds, I have had more then just contact through white noise, but that is what got me started many, many years ago. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 02-Aug-2005, 03:39 PM |
| Well -- now this is interesting, because it would seem there's so many ways that contact like that could go. Understand me, I have no sensitivity that I know of, and no such experiences. I think it would scare me pretty much. What is the quality of it? I would think you are not frightened after such an amount of time, but how is the encounter? Do they do anything for or against you? Or you for them? is it just a neutral thing of ships passing in the night, on near but separate seas? Do you feel you know them, or they you? |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 02-Aug-2005, 07:23 PM |
White Noise didn't do a whole lot for me, but then again...I'm jaded.  EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena) are personally one of my favorite things to work with on an investigation. I'd much rather putter around with my recorders than with cameras, which makes me sometimes a bit of the oddball in the group. LOL Many EVPs don't seem to make a whole lot of sense at all...you'll get random words and phrases that have little to do with the present conversation (if there is one), or they just pop up of their own accord with little or no prompting. Also, a lot of the time, what's actually been said is up for a lot of interpretation. What I hear may not be what someone else hears. Still other times, one can only discern that it's a human voice, possibly a sex and a number of syllables, and that's about it. Then there's the ones that are clear as day, often perfectly in context with any discussion or questions asked. These tend to be rarer, but are golden when they come along. When you get a direct answer to a direct question, the goosebumps tend to come! LOL Some EVP I've heard were commentary on us, as if they were discussing amongst themselves who we were and what we were doing there. I forget which group has it, but there's one that sounds like a man and a woman talking with each other. The male asks what they (the researchers) want them to do, and the woman says with obvious exasperation; "They WANT you to TALK!" I laughed at that one for a good long while, but it's a good example of the possibility that we're being observed just as much as we're trying to observe the spirits. I've captured EVP over the years on just about anything that will record voices. I've used microcassettes, ghetto-blaster size boom boxes, compact audio cassette recorders, video camera microphones while taping, and now my current favorites are my twin Olympus digital voice recorders. I've tried the white noise theory in recording EVP, but I've usually done without on most investigation sites, simply because it hasn't been feasible to set up anything that would provide adequate background noise, particularly when there's no power to the site. I don't see a discernable difference between having it and not, and the amount of results gleaned as a result. Then again, others swear by it, so perhaps it's a simple matter of personal taste. I know some seem to be luckier than others in getting EVP in the first place... I've got a few EVP that I can link you guys to from our site if you're interested at all. Lemme know. Melissa |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 02-Aug-2005, 07:49 PM |
| I am, actually. I wonder if these are ever tested on a number of people in a systematic way, to see if there is a consensus that shows a lower probability of occurrence than chance, about what the voices are saying. It is spot on that we assemble random signal cognitively in order to make interpretable information out of it, as you say. Human brains just do that -- we impose order where there is none. It lowers anxiety and enhances defense functions. But that would not necessarily mean that there is no order there that a human did not impose, if you follow me. So I would be interested particularly in seeing such material tested systematically. Not as a killjoy or a scientific pain in the patoot -- au contraire, I would be excited if there is something there. And a little spooked.  |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 02-Aug-2005, 08:10 PM |
| Coming up...let the baby quit kicking me quite so hard, and I'll get right on it. LOL |
| Posted by: Rindy1202 02-Aug-2005, 08:13 PM |
| Hi, this is all so interesting to me.. I would love some links to this if you are willing to post them. Its all hard to believe but I guess time will tell for all of us..LOL I am going to have to see the movie again I only saw it once..Congrats on your baby! When are you due? Forgive me if you have told me before. No Hurry on the links really... Slainte |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 02-Aug-2005, 08:41 PM |
| Let me add a bit of context to each of these...as I've said, all are open to interpretation, and these are our best guesses at what we've picked up. Some video contains VAs (Visual Anomalies) and SAs (Sound Anomalies, which are noises that we can't account for and show up on tape/recording). I'll just put a couple on here to give some quick examples. Warning: The first one is a video, the rest are .wav files. (Ganked from the website) In Part 8 there are a lot of strange things that happen. I'm going to point out the few we found, and let you know that Scott our tour guide, Scott (Kimberly's boyfriend), and Carl (Cara's friend) were the only men on the hunt with us. Carl wasn't in our part of the building at the time, and both Scotts left to go out to the car for a new tape before all the things happened and they weren't back yet when we left the room. 3:33 - something flashes in top right hand side of the screen 3:37 - I don't see it but someone said they saw a set of legs at the bottom of the steps to the right. 4:22 - Mans voice 4:44 - whisper voice "what can I get"??? 4:47 - voice saying, "i'm on video now" 4:50 - 2 steps 4:59 - Someone comes running down steps HARD and hits the floor (no one is on the steps) 5:23 - 5:30 sounds like tapping on pipes, not sure if it was us or not http://www.spiritedghosthunting.com/MansfieldPart8.wmv _____ I captured this one at a private residence. We're discussing the former owners of the house, and whether or not the couple had suffered the loss of children while living there. Someone whispers, "yes" just before Wendy (the homeowner) answers in the affirmative as well. http://www.spiritedghosthunting.com/Evp/Wendy2/Mel_WendysYes.wav _____ This is from Moundsville Reformatory/Penitentiary in West Virginia. Seemingly in answer to the question, "What is your name?" A male voice appears to answer, "Todd". It should be noted that there were no other males present with that name during recording. The only man present was named Dan. http://www.spiritedghosthunting.com/Evp/nametodd.wav This seems to us to be the same entity/spirit following the group around, and this is recorded a few minutes later. In answer to the question, "How did you die?", the answer comes, "Locked up". http://www.spiritedghosthunting.com/Evp/lockedup.wav |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 02-Aug-2005, 08:55 PM | ||
Hey, questioning all of this is what got us into this obse...um, hobby in the first place. I'd never actually thought of trying to test out the "some are luckier than others" theory formally, or even the "with-or-without-background noise" one, but both would be excellent in weeding out what might be chance, or uncover an actual pattern. Hrm...going to have to run that past a few people. Just like the human brain is wired to recognize facial patterns, so too is it wired to put order in sound where it feels there should be, absolutely. I've seen a lot of groups attempt to "clean up" their EVP by filtering out background noise and leveling off inflection in the voice snippet in question, and it all comes out very "computer-ized". While for many it's a great help in trying to interpret what may or may not be said, for me it drives me BATTY. For me it sounds like R2-D2 in the middle of a grand mal seizure. I need that clip to be "au naturel" in order to even try and pick something sensical out of it. |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 02-Aug-2005, 09:17 PM |
| LOL S'ok, Rindy. I'm due around Thanksgiving. I've only been back a few days after a long unscheduled absence, so don't feel bad at all. |
| Posted by: Rindy1202 02-Aug-2005, 09:17 PM |
| Thanks so much for the links Sekhmet. Good luck in all of you ghost hunting. Let me know when you have the baby.. Slainte |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 02-Aug-2005, 09:26 PM |
Yes, thanks! I'll consider this stuff carefully, when I'm not alone in my office near midnight.  I do get the creeps here alone sometimes. Silly, I know. It is intriguing, though, matter how it comes out. I will have a listen in the morning.Peace and good health to you and your little one. Your first child? |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 02-Aug-2005, 09:31 PM |
| Thank you! My third, actually. There'll be close to seven years' gap between this one and my second daughter. |
| Posted by: CelticCoalition 03-Aug-2005, 10:12 AM |
| Sekhmet, how long have you been ghost hunting? And is it just a hobby, or a job? Where al lhave you gone, and what is your website? |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 03-Aug-2005, 12:54 PM | ||
Oh geez...how to answer all this and not sound like an arrogant goob... This is far from being my job, but I have taught classes on ghosthunting in the past. Nothing regular, just something I do on certain weekends in Gettysburg. I'm actually a historian and researcher in terms of my "day job". Heavy on the living history aspect. I've been ghosthunting since before it was considered "kewl", sometime in the early 90s. It actually started with a journalism project my senior year of high school and I've been hooked ever since. Actually, that'd put it in spring of '92. Good lord, I'm getting old. LOL I've been to a lot of places, many of them private residences and properties. Cemeteries are always a good place for short investigations, but really I was usually in them doing genealogical work and restoration more than ghosthunting...one kinda grew into the other by a few strange twists of circumstance. Now, for some of the places you might've heard of: Gettysburg, PA - my first love, name the location and I've been there Ohio State Reformatory - Mansfield, OH Moundsville Penitentiary - Moundsville, WV Eastern State Penitentiary - Philadelphia, PA Fort Mifflin - Philadelphia, PA Point Lookout - St. Mary's Co., MD Penn State University St. Vincent College - Latrobe, PA ...and others I know I'm forgetting. LOL Anyway, I've been around a good bit by myself and with other groups over the years. I had a bit of a dry period for a couple of years while I was off having children, getting married, and other real life things, and I'm presently the historian and an investigator with Spirited Ghosthunting (www.spiritedghosthunting.com), and I'm the audio-to-chat transcriber for the Saturday evening live investigations with the Oklahoma City Ghost Club (www.okcgc.com or www.researchwebcam.com to go directly to the cams). Since I get the uncomfortable sensation that I've completely ganked this thread, if anyone has any other questions that has to do with ghosthunting and not necessarily White Noise or EVP, feel free to PM me or start another thread. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 03-Aug-2005, 02:45 PM |
| No, I'm glad you did. It makes more sense to me that you would have come to this together with history -- especially the history of a big, desperate, costly battle like Gettysburg. |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 03-Aug-2005, 03:21 PM |
| I sometimes get funny looks when I say that ghosts and ghost stories come as an occupational hazard, but it's absolutely true. Being a living historian, going to historic places, and being familiar with the life and culture of the corresponding time period makes you...well, kind of like a target in multiple senses. The interaction with the public makes you a frequent recipient of stories, you're "in the right place" for unexplained phenomena to happen, and a lot of people will tell you that being in the period clothing seems to take down a few barriers, perhaps making one "look familiar" to a spirit and therefore more prone to communication attempts. Might be why there's a lot of reenactors and their ilk who can sit you down and tell you hours and hours of stories both passed around and personally experienced. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 04-Aug-2005, 09:18 PM |
| Well -- I'm not sure about the video, but I did hear what you indicated, and I'll take your word that none of the hunting party made the sounds. I wonder what I would hear if I had no previous expectations. Not that I'm being skeptical, but that is how you would have to do it if you wanted to be able to test it systematically. You would just make sure the listener was cued that the sound was coming. Brrrr. |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 05-Aug-2005, 12:42 PM |
| You have to be skeptical when you're listening to the data in the first place. As much as you -want- to have captured something, the odds are actually very much stacked against it. I catch a little flak from time to time because some think I'm being a little too critical when something's found. I'd rather err on the side of caution than be too eager to peg everything as paranormal. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 05-Aug-2005, 12:53 PM |
| You've gotten quite matter of fact about it. I'm excitable enough (I mean, neurologically -- just chronically hot-wired and a jumpy sort) to find it aversive. I assume you have no fear that any contact could harm you or affect you negatively, unless it was by your own attitude? |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 05-Aug-2005, 01:25 PM |
| ::cough:: You weren't around the night I startled and screamed so hard I unhinged my jaw...LOL It's not that I'm totally unafraid...I've still got those hard-wired instincts that make you somewhat nervy in the dark and prone to startlement. There's a few other things that tend to set me off too, if I'm not careful. It sounds like I'm being overly-blase about the whole thing, but truthfully, after awhile you get used to a lot of it. A common caveat in the community is that one has a lot more to fear from the living than the dead, and it's absolutely true. I've run into things that have been angry, nasty, violent, and possibly insane, and some have been physically demonstrative (which I'll tell about in the other thread). They are *far* rarer than some would have you believe. You have to be careful, yes...but not fearful. Besides, I have this tendency to keep my head during the emergency in question, then quietly lose my mind when it's all over.  |
| Posted by: CelticCoalition 05-Aug-2005, 01:48 PM |
| A good survival tactic that. Keeping your head in an emergency is a good thing, however if I ran into, or believed I was about to encounter one of the formentionend malevolent, angry, or phyiscally assualtive spirits, I believe I would break world records in sprinting and have to locate a fresh pair of pants. |
| Posted by: Sekhmet 05-Aug-2005, 02:07 PM | ||
LMAO Our fearless leader of the group carries a spare set of pants with her on all outings now, for precisely that reason. It happened to her on a hunt awhile back and she had nothing to change into. |
| Posted by: CelticCoalition 05-Aug-2005, 02:43 PM |
| OH wow. That's awesome that it really happened to someone. sad for her, but hilarious. |
| Posted by: Tracee 06-Nov-2006, 12:27 PM |
| DH and i watched this Halloween! Fitting movie for the day. I really liked it! I am very into the EVP stuff! We have some friends in Gettysburg that do this alot they have sent us some of the EVP they have gotten. We also meet the Ghost Hunters in Alltoona PA the first show they did for there first seson they stayed at the hotel we were staying at. To bad we didn't know at that time Whats TAP"S ment! |